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Question - blast from the past

Post  Big_Pete on Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:18 pm

I am no expert (I wasn't that knoweldgable back then)

Can someone give me detailed info on how the Giants 3-4 scheme worked under Parcells?

Naturally there are many versions of 3-4s around, I am curious as to the type that we used.
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Re: Question - blast from the past

Post  Big_Pete on Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:58 pm

I am hoping for somewhat technical aspects, for example did the DEs play a one gap or two gap system etc.
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Post  Pizan on Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:38 am

I was just a young buck back then. Only thing I knew was my brother and Dad liked the Cowboys, I liked the Giants and it was War. But I did educate myself on Defense because its what I loved. I also had some pretty good teachers as well.

The Giants, under Parcells played a 2-Gap 3-4 defense. The double bubble! You have a guy on the center, and your DE's play on the tackles. Your Inside LBs are lined up over the guards creating two bubbles in the defensive scheme. Very tough defense to run because its hard to find the right guys to fit. A big reason why Parcells defense in Dallas didn't work. Its out dated. The big Inside LBs that were used to take on the guards are really a thing of the past anymore because the game is so much faster. Parcells ran a very conservative D. It was more containment. But thats easy to do when you have a guy like LT. Three men couldn't block him.

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Post  Big_Pete on Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:35 pm

Pizan wrote:I was just a young buck back then. Only thing I knew was my brother and Dad liked the Cowboys, I liked the Giants and it was War. But I did educate myself on Defense because its what I loved. I also had some pretty good teachers as well.

The Giants, under Parcells played a 2-Gap 3-4 defense. The double bubble! You have a guy on the center, and your DE's play on the tackles. Your Inside LBs are lined up over the guards creating two bubbles in the defensive scheme. Very tough defense to run because its hard to find the right guys to fit. A big reason why Parcells defense in Dallas didn't work. Its out dated. The big Inside LBs that were used to take on the guards are really a thing of the past anymore because the game is so much faster. Parcells ran a very conservative D. It was more containment. But thats easy to do when you have a guy like LT. Three men couldn't block him.


Thanks for that, it is what I thought.

I don't think it is that hard to find the guys for a 3-4 like that.

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Post  Big_Pete on Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:52 pm

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Post  56 Crazed Dogs on Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:00 am

While young, I was fortunate enough to grow up watching them games in the 80's.

Pizan mentions one word that says a lot. "Containment"

Most of our defense benefited from having such a great player in LT. Don't get me wrong, we had some good players but LT was allowed to rome and sorta do his own thing, play the game play by play as he felt it.
Teams put so much emphasis on blocking Taylor that it left them vulnerable in other areas.

Also in them days, tight ends were less of pass catchers and fullbacks were too busy getting run over by LT. All that along with pocket passing qb's were a recipe for disaster.
Without Lawrence Taylor, things would have been much different.

Jim Burt, George Martin, Leonard Marshall, and others. These guys could contain their lanes and still generate sacks because of the pressure flying in from the sides (LT) and also from the benefit of a having such a great run stuffer (Harry Carson)
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Post  Big_Pete on Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:24 pm

56 Crazed Dogs wrote:While young, I was fortunate enough to grow up watching them games in the 80's.

Pizan mentions one word that says a lot. "Containment"

Most of our defense benefited from having such a great player in LT. Don't get me wrong, we had some good players but LT was allowed to rome and sorta do his own thing, play the game play by play as he felt it.
Teams put so much emphasis on blocking Taylor that it left them vulnerable in other areas.

Also in them days, tight ends were less of pass catchers and fullbacks were too busy getting run over by LT. All that along with pocket passing qb's were a recipe for disaster.
Without Lawrence Taylor, things would have been much different.

Jim Burt, George Martin, Leonard Marshall, and others. These guys could contain their lanes and still generate sacks because of the pressure flying in from the sides (LT) and also from the benefit of a having such a great run stuffer (Harry Carson)

I still would prefer to be running that kind of system and I think we could with a little adjustment.
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Post  Pizan on Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:21 pm

That system is outdated, Pete. Its just way to slow. The NFL is a much faster game today. And with all the defenses switching to the 3-4 those type of players are extremely hard to come by. The majority of the 3-4 defenses you see today are 1 Gap. Few coordinators mix in other variations of the 3-4. Belichick is one of those coaches but that man is a defensive genius.

Also, we are far from having that personnel. I wouldn't mind seeing Fewell get creative from time to time and run something similar to a 1 Gap 3-4. Canty, Joseph, Coefield on the line. Osi and Tuck standing, with Sintim and Boley inside. That may work from time to time as a pass rush package but we are perfect for a 4-3.
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