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Scout's Inc - Giants positional ratings

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Scout's Inc - Giants positional ratings

Post  Big_Pete on Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:39 am

Scouts inc have rated each the positions from 1 to 32

Here are they rate the various giants positions, all in all they are quite reasonable assessments (please note DB will be up tommorrow and special teams the day afer)

sections of articles from espn insider http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/sportindex?sport=nfl




Quarterback

11. New York Giants

We know, we know, Manning has broken out. He led the Giants through a fantastic playoff run that ended with New York upsetting the undefeated Patriots and hoisting the Lombardi trophy. And we know many of the starting quarterbacks listed ahead of the younger Manning on this list do not have rings on their fingers. However, we want to see him do it for an entire season before we put him closer to the top. This is a player who managed only a 23-to-20 touchdown-to-interception ratio last year and a player many Giants fans wanted out of the Big Apple as recently as midway through last season. He threw just 19 touchdowns over the first 15 games of 2007, and Manning has completed only 57 percent of his passes over the past two seasons.

New York might end up in the top five in these rankings one year from now, but for now, let's not get carried away with the former first-overall selection and a suspect group of backups. The way Manning stepped up as a leader when it mattered most was impressive, and the arrow on his career is pointing up as we enter the 2008 season. Needless to say, if David Carr ever has to play, bad things will happen, and the New York media will destroy his already-damaged psyche. Like his older brother, Manning has proved quite durable and is tougher than usually given credit for.


Running Back

18. New York Giants

Even though the Giants finished the 2007 season ranked fourth in run offense, that was based more on their commitment to run the football than their actual talent at the position. The best part about the Giants' run game is the physical play they get up front from the offensive line. The other solid aspect to the Giants' run game is depth at the position. Starter Brandon Jacobs is big, but not very physical. Derrick Ward saw extensive action before his injury and Ahmad Bradshaw adds a speed element. There is no premier player in New York, but the depth is good.


Wide Reciever

11. New York Giants

Plaxico Burress was dominant last season despite struggling with injuries. Burress is a huge, athletic receiver with long arms and physical play strength. He has good hands, can out-jump defenders downfield and is valuable in the red zone. Amani Toomer is a solid possession receiver with outstanding experience. He is a good route-runner with good catching skills and can be effective in the short and intermediate areas. Steve Smith displayed good receiving skills late in 2007 after dealing with injuries throughout his rookie season. Sinorice Moss has been disappointing in his development but David Tyree was amazing in the Super Bowl. Tyree is a solid No. 4/5 receiver with tremendous value on special teams coverage units. Incoming rookie Mario Manningham could be a steal as a third-round pick, depending on how he matures and learns the Giants' complicated offense.


Tight End

5. New York Giants

The Giants won the Super Bowl even though Jeremy Shockey, one of the better tight ends in the league, was sidelined with an injury. Virtual unknown Kevin Boss stepped up in Shockey's absence and made several key receptions down the stretch and during the playoffs. Boss showed reliable hands and deceptive speed when he finally got the chance to play. As for Shockey, though he's one of the most outspoken players in the league, he's also one of the most productive tight ends in the league. He is a tough matchup for most linebackers and safeties; he can use his speed and athleticism to outmaneuver the linebackers and his strength to separate from defensive backs. Together, he and Boss form one of the best duos in the league.


Offensive Line

7. New York Giants

Chris Snee is the best player on this offensive line, but overall, it isn't a group loaded with big names. However, these guys produce as a unit and are well-coached, tough and reliable. An above-average pass-blocking group, it is simply an exceptional run-blocking line and paved the way for New York's backs to average a whopping 4.6 yards per carry in 2007. With the ability to consistently gain chunks of yardage on the ground, perhaps the Giants' Super Bowl run shouldn't have been all that surprising. Many felt that David Diehl was a guard playing out of position at left tackle and that speed rushers would have their way with him. Diehl proved his doubters wrong and did an admirable job of protecting Eli Manning's blind side on the edge. The depth here isn't ideal, but this is a line that can be counted on.


Defensive Line

2. New York Giants

The Giants led the NFL in sacks in 2007 with 53, and their front four played a major role in their Super Bowl run. Losing DE Michael Strahan to retirement will affect the Giants' defense, but surprisingly the run defense will feel his absence more than the pass defense. Last year, as a sub, Justin Tuck had 10 sacks. Plus, he has the ability to slide inside and allow LB Mathias Kiwanuka to put his hand on the ground and rush off the edge as a designated pass-rusher. Interior linemen Barry Cofield, Fred Robbins and Jay Alford provide depth and different personnel looks, so they make it difficult for offensive coordinators to plan against them.


Line Backer

23. New York Giants

Mathias Kiwanuka, a natural defensive end, was moved to strongside linebacker at this time last year. With Michael Strahan's retirement, he probably will be moved back to end to best utilize his upfield pass-rushing skills. Kawika Mitchell also will be missing from the roster of last season's Super Bowl champs. He is slated to be replaced by the athletic, rangy Gerris Wilkinson, who played well when given the chance in 2007. MLB Antonio Pierce is a leader who is consistently around the football. He started slowly last season but came on down the stretch. He is a film junkie and the brains of the Giants' defense, acting as a liaison between the players and defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo. However, Pierce's tackle production did drop by 30 tackles from 2006 to 2007. New York signed versatile veteran Danny Clark and drafted Jonathan Goff and Bryan Kehl. These three should be depth players, and putting any of them in a starting role could yield questionable results. Should injuries occur, Kiwanuka also could be an option on the strongside. Clark probably is the top backup at all three starting spots.


Defensive Backs

16. New York Giants

The defending Super Bowl champs lost starting FS Gibril Wilson to free agency, but should be excited about the addition of rookie Kenny Phillips, who has a lot of upside thanks to his size, instincts and athletic ability. The Giants also added veteran SS Sammy Knight and his blend of toughness, leadership and experience. Knight should work well with James Butler until Phillips is ready to take over. The battle for the starting CB spots will be competitive with returning starters Aaron Ross and Corey Webster, veterans Sam Madison and R.W. McQuarters, the speedy Kevin Dockery and second-round pick Terrell Thomas giving the Giants a nice blend of youth and experience.


Special Teams

15. New York Giants

The defending Super Bowl champs' special teams will be very solid thanks to a reliable, veteran punter in Jeff Feagles and kicker Lawrence Tynes, who hit 85 percent of his attempts. Ahmad Bradshaw and Reuben Droughns handled most of the kick-return duties, but Domenik Hixon flashed the speed and instincts to hit a crease. R.W. McQuarters isn't explosive as a punt returner but has sure hands when fielding the ball. The Giants' punt-coverage unit was outstanding at corralling its opponents, but the kickoff-coverage unit needs to tighten up in 2008.


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Re: Scout's Inc - Giants positional ratings

Post  Pizan on Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:11 am


Running Back

18. New York Giants

Even though the Giants finished the 2007 season ranked fourth in run offense, that was based more on their commitment to run the football than their actual talent at the position. The best part about the Giants' run game is the physical play they get up front from the offensive line. The other solid aspect to the Giants' run game is depth at the position. Starter Brandon Jacobs is big, but not very physical. Derrick Ward saw extensive action before his injury and Ahmad Bradshaw adds a speed element. There is no premier player in New York, but the depth is good.

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Re: Scout's Inc - Giants positional ratings

Post  Martin on Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:47 pm

I don't get that one either!

He must have clearly missed Jacobs playing
last year.

Otherwise his opinion of the Giants were
more than fair.

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Re: Scout's Inc - Giants positional ratings

Post  Big_Pete on Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:44 pm

regarding Jacobs: initially I thought it was bogus, but I have been thinking about it a little and I think it is somewhat fair.


Jacobs is a power running back, but he isn't hugely physical

Jacobs is hard to take down and this wears out defenders, but he doesn't punish the tackler. Jacobs main asset is that ge can get to the next level (where he takes on DBs). Jacobs can get stopped by good front seven for little no gain.

Did you notice that Ward and Droughns did well when they went in? They do punish the tackler, but don't have the physical tools Jacobs does. When these guys get hit by a good front seven they still make a yard or two.

Jacobs has the size, strength and speed. But I suspect that alot of this has to do with his height; I don't think (at least as yet) he is getting the ideal kind of leverage.

Why do you think Jacobs was replaced in goal line situations? you want you most powerfull physical guy in there to pound it in. It isn't to rest Jacobs, we already use him in rotation which helps keep him fresh.
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Re: Scout's Inc - Giants positional ratings

Post  Big_Pete on Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:30 pm

updated - defensive backs added


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Post  Big_Pete on Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:26 pm

updated - special teams added
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