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How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:11 am

Here is my thoughts on how the roster is generally shaping up

there will almost certainly be some fierce competition for roster spots


Offense (26)

QB (3): Eli Manning, David Carr, Andre Woodson/ Rhett Bomar

WR (6): Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Ramsees Barden, Sinorice Moss/ David Tyree/ Derek Hagan/ Micah Rucker/ Taye Biddle/ Shaun Bodiford

TE (3): Kevin Boss, Travis Beckum, Darcy Johnson/ Michael Matthews/ Lawrence Vickers/ George Wrightster

RB (4): Brandon Jacobs, Ahmad Bradshaw, Andre Brown, Danny Ware / Dwayne Wright/ Patrick Allen

FB (1): Madison Hedgecock

OT (4) Kareem McKenzie, David Diehl, William Beatty, Guy Whimper/ Andrew Carnahan/ Cliff Lewis/ Mike Fladell

OG (3): Chris Snee, Rich Seubert, Kevin Boothe/ Tutan Reyes/ Orrin Thompson/ Terrance Pennington

OC (2): Shaun O'Hara, Adam Koets/ Alex Derenthal


Defense (25)

DE (4): Osi Umenyiora, Justin Tuck, Matthias Kiwanuka, Robert Henderson/ Maurice Evans/ Dave Tollefsen/ Tommy Hill

DT (4): Barry Cofield, Chris Canty, Rocky Bernard, Jay Alford/ Anthony Bryant/ Dwayne Hendricks/ Alex Field/ Leger Douzable / Jeremy Clark

SLB (3): Danny Clark, Clint Sintim, Zak DeOssie

MLB (2): Antonio Pierce, Jonathan Goff/ Chase Blackburn/ Kelvin Smith

WLB (2): Bryan Kehl/ Gerris Wilkinson/ Kenny Ingram

CB (5): Corey Webster, Aaron Ross, Terrell Thomas, Kevin Dockery, DeAndre Wright/ Stoney Woodson/ Rashad Barksdale/ Travonti Johnson/ Bruce Johnson

SS (2): Michael Johnson, CC Brown

FS (3): Kenny Phillips, Sha'Reff Rashad, Steve Cargile/ Vince Anderson

Special Teams (2)

P: Jeff Feagles

K: Lawrence Tynes

Physically Unable to Perform (PUP)

(2): DT Fred Robbins, WLB Michael Boley

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Drafted Rookie
2009 Practice Squad
Free Agent from other teams
Street Free Agents


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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:00 pm

I have updated it so far to reflect the roster and signings
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:45 am

updated Smile

any thoughts?
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:14 am

to me there is still a glaring weakness in our safety depth

I am not sold on using a CB for safety depth


I hope we bring in another guy, perhaps by trade: Michael Huff anyone?
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Post  56 Crazed Dogs on Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:21 pm

I'm probably not as skeptical about the safety position as you may be.
With CC Brown Kenny Phillips, and Michael Johnson, we have capable starters. If injuries happen early then there may be reason for concern.
I think the giants will be aggresive at getting after the passer this year with all the available talent they now have on the defensive line.. which in turn may help out our defensive backs duties.
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:45 am

TD wrote:I'm probably not as skeptical about the safety position as you may be.
With CC Brown Kenny Phillips, and Michael Johnson, we have capable starters. If injuries happen early then there may be reason for concern.
I think the giants will be aggresive at getting after the passer this year with all the available talent they now have on the defensive line.. which in turn may help out our defensive backs duties.

I have no issues with the quality starters we have at safety.

I do have issues with our safety depth

last year we had 5 safeties on the final roster. This year we have only 3 legitimate guys imho. I would like to see a couple of atlented youngsters who can be stud special teamers and step up into the rotation if required.

players get banged up, if any on our top 3 S get banged up, we have depth and rotation issues.

I guess I am overlooking the other obvious option which could be moving Terrell Thomas to FS, but he is very valuable where he is now.

I guess there are still options to add players at S, particularly as teams cut down to their final rosters.

with that said maybe Ingram or Rashad can be the guys, but I am very doubtful

That is why I wouldn't mind trading for Huff (or some other young DB). He may not be a starter, but he is solid depth and special teams; he could also work into the rotation.


To me (and many others) this is the glaring hole in the roster; considering the situation of the roster, it doesn't need to be. I am hoping the Giants address it at some point.
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:58 am

It doesn't need to be a starter at Safety but it shouldn't be an aging stop-gap
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Fri May 22, 2009 8:29 am

I have updated the roster to reflect the latest signings

there will be some awesome competition in camp
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  NYG Hampton 27 on Wed May 27, 2009 10:09 pm

I hear you on the safeties Pete, I'd like to have at least 4 capable guys that I know on there. But maybe the other two are solid and I just don't know them, I didn't know much about Johnson when he started.

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Post  NYG Hampton 27 on Wed May 27, 2009 10:14 pm

I see you have 6 wr spot, do you think it will come down to Moss or Tyree; or neither with another guy? I'd hate to lose Tyree and take on 2 rookies and keep another who hasn't done anything yet (manningham) (half the receiving corps), is Tyree healthy and ready to go? Do you think there's any chance that Barden is put on the PS in favor of hixon/smith/nicks/manningham/moss/tyree?

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Post  Big_Pete on Thu May 28, 2009 7:22 am

NYG Hampton 27 wrote:I see you have 6 wr spot, do you think it will come down to Moss or Tyree; or neither with another guy? I'd hate to lose Tyree and take on 2 rookies and keep another who hasn't done anything yet (manningham) (half the receiving corps), is Tyree healthy and ready to go? Do you think there's any chance that Barden is put on the PS in favor of hixon/smith/nicks/manningham/moss/tyree?

I think this last spot will come down to 3 guys,

Gilbride has already mentioned that Moss will be the 3rd WR in the 3 reciever sets at least going into camp. He has the inside running for a spot.

Tyree is a solid vet, but I don't think we can justify him a roster spot over the others unless he really has a great camp

The long shot is Micah Rucker

Tyree is a good special teamer and ok reciever. but we have guys like Goff, Kehl, Andre Brown, Ware, Beckum, Sintim, DeOssie, Kiwanuka, CC Brown, Thomas, Dockery etc for special teams


Barden won't make the PS squad, besides he will be too much of a redzone weapon.

I dont have an issue with the rookies

firstly Hixon, Smith, Moss and Manningham would be the guys at least initially. Nicks and Barden will work their way into the rotation as they develop; Nicks is probably the most NFL ready of any of the WRs this year, he should contribute reasonably quicly. I have alot of confidence in our young guys stepping up with the extra opportunity.

I think a big part of the offense will be getting more out of RB and TE in the passing game. Beckum gives some interesting options.

I also wouldn't completely rule out a trade for Edwards or Boldin if their price comes down (remember the timing of the shockey trade last year?); with the draft we had, we could include Hixon, Moss or Tyree in the deal Robbins or even Cofield could also be optionsl. It depends how serious the Giants were after a WR, I tend to think there was a fair amount of fire around all that smoke.

but the key will be once again our ground game, which is very solid.


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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Thu May 28, 2009 7:24 am

NYG Hampton 27 wrote:I hear you on the safeties Pete, I'd like to have at least 4 capable guys that I know on there. But maybe the other two are solid and I just don't know them, I didn't know much about Johnson when he started.

I am starting to come around with the safeties (although still not entirely happy); we have 3 guys who can start (with good starting experience) plus some ok youngsters like Rashad. I guess it isn't too bad, but I would prefer more depth.

I am underwhelmed with thhe CBs we drafted as well, particularly with Dockery off contract after the season.

I just think our secondary depth is a little thin, but we have young guys, hopefully they will step up
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Post  Big_Pete on Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:07 pm

I am currently thinking that Robbins will start the season on the Physically Unable to Perform list, much like Tyree last year.

He will be given a chance to get healthy and contribute in the back half of the season

some info on PUP

"Physically Unable to Perform is the term for a rule in the National Football League which allows teams to designate players as "Physically Unable to Perform" or "PUP". Once they are designated as such, they are prohibited from practicing with the team. They can, however, rehabilitate and participate in team meetings. If a player begins training camp on the PUP list, they can be moved to the active roster at any time, even after one practice. A player is not allowed to be placed on the PUP list if they start training camp on the active roster.

A player who begins the season on the PUP list must sit out his team's first six games. After that point, the player is allowed to practice with the team through Week 10 of the NFL season, and can be activated any time within that window. If the player is not activated by Week 10, he must stop practicing and is unavailable to be moved to the active roster for the remainder of the season."
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:41 pm

I have updated my initial projected roster breakdown


check it out and ley me know your thoughts
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:04 am

Cuts

Rashad Barksdale has been released (6/19)
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:22 pm

Mike Fladell and George Wrighster have been released to make room for Ramsees Barden and Rhett Bomar

the original list has been updated

still have to sign Nicks, Beatty and Sintim
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:48 pm

I have updated the original to reflect Beckum's signing and release of Field

don't know who was released when Brown was signed
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:27 am

got it, Alex Derenthal was released

just down to the 2 x 2nd rounders and Nicks now
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:30 pm

I think there is a good chance that both Boley and Robbins will likely be on the PUP list at the start of the season.

Both are almost certainly going to miss all of training camp
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  56 Crazed Dogs on Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:05 pm

Big_Pete wrote:got it, Alex Derenthal was released
Interesting note.
The release of Derenthal leaves the Giants with no true back-up center at this time.

I guess the Giants feel good about the experiment of Adam Koets moving from tackle to center. However, mini camp notes from some of the beat writers on Koets transition wasn't that impressive.

Seubert may also be a 2nd option of sliding over to center if injuries occur.
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:38 am

TD wrote:
Big_Pete wrote:got it, Alex Derenthal was released
Interesting note.
The release of Derenthal leaves the Giants with no true back-up center at this time.

I guess the Giants feel good about the experiment of Adam Koets moving from tackle to center. However, mini camp notes from some of the beat writers on Koets transition wasn't that impressive.

Seubert may also be a 2nd option of sliding over to center if injuries occur.

At this point Seubert is the backup center, then Snee

The Giants are hoping that Koets can make the transition to backup center

The key thing is what will happen once O'Hara starts slowing down (which could be soon).
Personally I wouldn't mind the idea of Snee at OC and beefing up up RG with Diehl at LG, Beatty LT and Seubert as primary backup. Another option could be to flick McKenzie into RG and get a RT (but all this for another day)
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Re: How the 2009 Roster is shaping up

Post  Big_Pete on Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:58 pm

updated

I would like to see Terrell Thomas moved to FS, I think that is a better fit for him, but I am not sure that will happen at the moment.

But as the nickle back, he can likely do a bit of both
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