The Giants will trade him in an instant if they get better than the second- and fifth-round pick package that the New Orleans Saints presented earlier this year. Moving that fifth to a fourth would likely do it. Getting a first-round pick and a solid player the Giants like would do it.

The rumor had been a very complicated multi-team deal was in the works, one which relied on a lot of things falling into place.

Pizan wrote:Shockey's trade value hasn't taken a hit nor are the Giants in a position where they have to trade him... (Although the media does make it seem that way and fans always buy what they sell.) In fact, assuming Shockey can pass a physical his value is better as far as draft picks. For a team like the Saints to get Shockey they need to separate with their 1st round pick. Shockey immediately improves their team making them a legit contender and a late round selection while we have to wait til next year for our return which is a near second round pick.

So if I'm the Giants I don't settle for any less than a first round pick. We don't have to trade Shockey. Period. Shockey is a probowl player one of the best in the league, you don't get antsy and trade that for chump change. As far as a player for Shockey, our roster is pretty much set so a team will really have to offer up an equivalent player other wise it isn't worth it. If its a player and a second, maybe a young S, LB, or DT but really we are fine at those positions. Why create a question mark at TE when the return now is minimal like a 2nd and a 4th for example.

Admin wrote:Brown and Williams were the reason that Jacobs left Auburn. I see no reason for the Giants to aquire Brown. I'm just as confident with Droughns.

No worries: Colston, Evans deals to come

Sunday, July 06, 2008

With less than three weeks remaining before the start of training camp, no new contract extensions appear imminent for Saints receiver Marques Colston or guard Jahri Evans.

The team has had preliminary discussions with agents for the players, both of whom are set to become restricted free agents after this season. But unless things heat up in a hurry, I don't expect anything to get done this month.

Don't panic, though, Saints fans. I'll be shocked if they don't work out deals with both players at some point, this year or next.

True, the NFL is a business, and great players become financial casualties all the time. But this team has an excellent track record of identifying and rewarding its most valuable players -- and Colston and Evans certainly qualify.

In fact, if I had to rank the Saints' most irreplaceable players heading into this season and beyond, I'd put Colston in the top three, with quarterback Drew Brees and defensive end Will Smith, at least until Reggie Bush finally breaks through. And Evans probably fits somewhere near the top five.

Colston has continued to amaze me over the past year with his consistency -- not just on Sundays, but even in shorts and shells during summer practice sessions. He's a big-play receiver and a possession receiver, with as complete a combination of size, speed and reliable hands as any pass-catcher in the league. And while so many of the games' top wideouts seem to cause headaches off the field, the way Colston carries himself is refreshing.

It's harder to recognize everything Evans brings to the Saints' offense because he's an interior lineman, perhaps the least glamorous position on the field. But insiders were consistently praising him as the Saints' best talent up front toward the end of last season.

Most importantly, the Saints understand how integral these guys are, and they won't let them get away.

The negotiations, though, with these rising stars won't be as simple as they were with established veterans, such as defensive ends Will Smith and Charles Grant or tailback Deuce McAllister.

It's harder to determine the market for young guys like Colston and Evans, because as impressive as they've been so far, they still don't have lengthy track records. Colston's numbers compare favorably to top receivers like Chad Johnson, Reggie Wayne and Larry Fitzgerald, but he'll have a hard time demanding a similar contract.

Also, there isn't the same sense of urgency with these guys because they are only restricted free agents next year. The Saints will have the right to match any offer they receive, as long as they tender a one-year qualifying offer to the players. And depending on the size of that qualifying offer, other teams would be forced to surrender one or more top draft picks to the Saints to pry Colston or Evans away.

Both players might try and add an element of urgency to the negotiations by holding out at the start of training camp, but Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis has consistently taken a hard-line approach against that tactic, refusing to negotiate with players who hold out. Smith skipped the Saints' voluntary workout program and offseason training activities this offseason, but he showed up for the mandatory team minicamp.

Finally, the fact that Colston and Evans were both second-day draft picks could add a bit of emotional appeal to the negotiations. The players' agents will argue that they have been woefully underpaid to this point, and the Saints will argue that they're paying for the future, not the past.

Heading into the final year of their original contracts, Evans and Colston are both scheduled to earn $445,000 this season, a raise from $360,000 last year. At least both sides can agree that's an extraordinary bargain.

NO BIG DEAL: There's been no action in contract talks with the Saints' draft picks, but there's no rush. Whether those later-round deals come down to the wire, they're usually slotted in so tight that they practically work themselves out. First-round draft pick Sedrick Ellis could wind up missing a few days of training camp, which is the norm for a top pick like Ellis, who went seventh overall. So far, there's no reason to expect any serious roadblocks with his contract.

FOR A GOOD CAUSE: Colston's charity organization is holding an online auction to support neglected, abused and underprivileged children. The auction is open at www.colstoncharities.org.

BACK HOME: Peyton and Eli Manning will be in New Orleans this Thursday for an Oreo Double Stuff promotion at Isidore Newman School. They will have an Oreo "Lick Off," competing with 10 pairs of finalists selected through a national sweepstakes to see who can "twist, lick and dunk" the fastest for a chance to win $10,000. Parents Archie and Olivia will serve as grand marshals for the event.

What can I say? It's the NFL's slowest month. But the drought won't last much longer.

Big_Pete wrote:another trade idea

NY Giants trade Shockey to Carolina


Carolina trades RB DeAngelo Williams to NY Giants

The Saints' Marques Colston is a possession receiver. Colston had 80 pass attempts against non-cornerbacks, a total that was second only to Wes Welker's 90 in that category. To put that total in better perspective, consider that Bobby Engram and T.J. Houshmandzadeh, two of the best possession receivers around, were the only others to top the 60 attempt mark in this category.