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My Giant Plan : Precombine/Free Agency

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My Giant Plan : Precombine/Free Agency

Post  Pizan on Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:59 am

Did this mostly for fun, threw in a few surprises.

Release:

Shaun O'Hara
Rocky Benard

Resign:

Steve Smith
Dave Tollefson
Dominik Hixon
Chase Blackburn

Trades:

*Trade our 1st round pick 19th overall this year, our 2012 2nd round pick, Mario Manningham, and Clint Sintim to Baltimore for Haloti Ngata and a 5th round pick.

Free Agency:

Starters:
D'Qwell Jackson ILB
Kevin Burnett SLB
Richie Incognito OG/OC
Owen Daniels TE

Role Players:
Matt Roth DE
Sabby Piscitelli S
Owen Schmitt FB (will become a FA with the return of Weaver in Philly, they wont carry two FBs)
Derek Landri DT

Draft:

2nd Ryan Williams RB Virgina Tech
3rd Mark Herzlich SLB Boston College
4th Cecil Shorts WR Mont Union
5th (BALT) Richard Sherman CB Standford
6th Alex Green RB Hawaii
7th Jay Valai S Wisconsin


Roster

QB: Manning, Rosenfals
RB: Brandon Jacobs, Ryan Williams, Alex Green
FB: Owen Schmitt
WR: Nicks, Smith, Barden, Cruz, Hixon, Shorts
TE: Daniels, Beckum, Bear
OT: Diehl, Mckenzie, Beatty, Andrews
OG: Snee, Seubert, Petrus
OC: Incognito, Koets

DE: Osi, Tuck, JPP, Roth, Tollefson
DT: Ngata, Canty, Joseph, Landri
OLB: Burnett, Boley, Herzlich, Blackburn
MLB: Jackson, Goff
CB: Webster, Thomas, Ross, Sherman, Johnson
S: Rolle, Phillips, Piscitelli, Valai

K: Tynes
P: Dodge
LS: DeOssie

Thats 51 players we have room for two undrafted FAs or players already on roster.

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Post  Pizan on Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:59 am

The Oline would be the biggest question mark. In the scenario if O'Hara is unable to return we would need to bring in a capable center to compete with Seubert. The possible lines we could have just adding Incognito to the mix:

Diehl, Seubert, Incognito, Snee, McKenzie
Diehl, Incognito, Seubert, Snee, McKenzie
Beatty, Diehl, Seubert/Incognito, Snee, Mckenzie
Andrews, Diehl, Seubert/Incognito, Snee, McKenzie

I decided against drafting a OT because I picked up Andrews option.
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Post  Big_Pete on Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:08 am

Interesting Smile

I would do things differently, but it is fun.
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Post  56 Crazed Dogs on Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:21 am

I have a very dissapointing feeling that Andrews won't play another meaningful game again due to his back problems.
I hope I'm wrong on this though.
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Post  Big_Pete on Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:43 pm

56 Crazed Dogs wrote:I have a very dissapointing feeling that Andrews won't play another meaningful game again due to his back problems.
I hope I'm wrong on this though.

I wouldn't say that at all. I am sure he will contribute, the question is how much.

The other thing to remember is that it is Andrews' first season back, plus he has a whole offseason for the medical staff to work on it.

I am hopefull Andrews' back will be ok and that he can start 10+ games at LT. However I also think it is a risk and may be the kind of injury that can flare up at any time.

We know that Andrews is a probowel calibre player, but we also know there is a good chance his injury will impact his playing time. It all depends on the medical staff, but I for one am remaining very hopefull

Either way he is worth picking up the option on, he is good value with no risk.
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Post  56 Crazed Dogs on Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:20 pm

maybe Pete. I hope so but Andrews story sounds all too familiar to me.
My wife has been going through nearly the same type of problems with multiple back surgeries and little success. A lot of medication and nothing but constant pain.
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Post  56 Crazed Dogs on Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:27 pm

I could live with that trade Vin.
Would love to have Ngata on the Giants. That's a big time upgrade to the defensive line and will make the linebackers jobs a lot easier.

Losing Manningham would kind of suck but we do have some depth at wr. Hixon is a decent 3rd and Cruz has big potential.
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Post  Big_Pete on Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:29 pm

56 Crazed Dogs wrote:maybe Pete. I hope so but Andrews story sounds all too familiar to me.
My wife has been going through nearly the same type of problems with multiple back surgeries and little success. A lot of medication and nothing but constant pain.

Sure I do understand back pain.

But Sports medicine is improving, it wasn't that long ago that microfracture surgery or a lis franc injury was career ending.

I am cautiously optimistic that he can contribute this year. The real question is how much.
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Post  Big_Pete on Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:32 pm

56 Crazed Dogs wrote:
Losing Manningham would kind of suck but we do have some depth at wr. Hixon is a decent 3rd and Cruz has big potential.

One thing two remember is that four of our top 5 receivers are coming of injury - Nicks, Smith, Barden and Hixon, 3 of which were serious injuries on IR.

Also Smith is having microfracture surgery, so he is likely going to take a bit of time to recover. There is a good chance he will be limited to some degree this season.

But having said that, I am open to the idea of trading Manningham, it could be a good chance to get value (maybe 2nd round?) for him and upgrade other positions. Otherwise I could see him being in a similar situation next year to what Cofield is now.
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Post  Pizan on Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:46 am

56 Crazed Dogs wrote:I could live with that trade Vin.
Would love to have Ngata on the Giants. That's a big time upgrade to the defensive line and will make the linebackers jobs a lot easier.

Losing Manningham would kind of suck but we do have some depth at wr. Hixon is a decent 3rd and Cruz has big potential.


Yea and i mean lets face it, the likely hood of us ever pulling off this trade is slim to none but it goes to show if we took a more aggressive approach to FA with the willingness to sacrifice some picks and a few vet players we could stack our team. Adding Ngata would be huge. Imagine a front Defense consisting of this:

Tuck, Osi, JPP at DE
Ngata, Canty, Joseph at DT
Boley, Jackson, Burnett at LB
Webster, Thomas, Ross at CB
Rolle, Phillips at S

Thats easily the best defense in football, a super bowl winning defense, a Giant defense. Very Happy

As far as WR, yea losing Manningham sucks because of his ability to stretch the field but Hixon, Barden, and Cruz could all do that. Plus Cecil Shorts is one of my favorite prospects. Also, getting a better receiving TE like Daniels would help Eli. Daniels is much like Beckum so if he were to go down to injury we would be able to implement the same offense to incorporate the TE unlike what we could do this past year. Our Offense won't miss a beat.

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Post  Big_Pete on Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:28 pm

I would be ok with Burnett and Jackson at LB

though personally I would prefer Pozlunszy or McIntosh and Ruud.

I do think we need to add two LBs in free agency if possible.
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Post  Pizan on Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:56 pm

Yea well Poz and Ruud are a step or two better than Burnett and Jackson but they fit my plan better considering the contract we would be giving Ngata.

But if we happen to get Burnett and Jackson in reality without Ngata I'd be very happy. I think Burnett is one of the most under rated LBs in the league. He is excellent in coverage. I also think Jackson would be a very good fit in our defense. My concern with Jackson is his ability to stay healthy but with that I think we can get him a bit cheaper than others available while gambling a bit but still have Goff as a back up.
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Post  Big_Pete on Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:46 pm

Pizan wrote:Yea well Poz and Ruud are a step or two better than Burnett and Jackson but they fit my plan better considering the contract we would be giving Ngata.

But if we happen to get Burnett and Jackson in reality without Ngata I'd be very happy. I think Burnett is one of the most under rated LBs in the league. He is excellent in coverage. I also think Jackson would be a very good fit in our defense. My concern with Jackson is his ability to stay healthy but with that I think we can get him a bit cheaper than others available while gambling a bit but still have Goff as a back up.

I think Poz and Ruud are already very experienced in similar systems, so they could slot right in.

I am not sure on Burnett, but that could be becasue he wasn't a good fit with Dallas' system. At the very least he would be good value.

I agree with you about D'Qwell Jackson, he is a guy I do like, but hasn't been able to stay on the field.
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Post  Big_Pete on Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:17 am

Thinking on Haloti Ngata a little more.

He would be awesome, but I don't think the Ravens would make a trade for him. It is more likely to simply pay the two first round picks as compensation.

Two 1st round picks and a big contract is a huge investment, but with someone like Haloti it would be well worth it.
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Post  Pizan on Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:47 pm

In order to get Ngata we would have to blow them outta the water with a huge contract they couldnt match or make a trade and give a little more than two 1sr round picks. If I'm them I'm taking the trade and getting four potential starters instead of just two.
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